tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post1423747151302238481..comments2024-01-09T21:43:06.916-05:00Comments on Esq. Never: The Craigslist TestEsq. Neverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18248019550876835145noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-45881187827280928072011-01-24T23:20:37.624-05:002011-01-24T23:20:37.624-05:00Screw you Lawyers.
I hope you DO get screwed.
I...Screw you Lawyers. <br /><br />I hope you DO get screwed.<br /><br />I Worked MY ASS off in college. I slept 5 hours a night for 4 years. I fought tooth and nail for C's.<br /><br />My Lawyer & Business Friends used to Booast about "how they had the inside track" How they "could BS their way through essays" while I sweated it out in the computer lab. <br /><br />Fuck you guys. You deserve nothing for pay.<br /><br />Sincerely, <br />A Chemical EngineerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-81259635289953777262010-03-27T13:18:24.198-04:002010-03-27T13:18:24.198-04:00@ 9:16pm- I like your idea it can be a combined co...@ 9:16pm- I like your idea it can be a combined consumer and "kelly blue book" where one analyzes a depreciating liability and whether worth the investment and categorize school (make/model) and Year graduated (totaling purchase price). It sounds promising!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-40382449869485320082010-03-25T19:20:15.912-04:002010-03-25T19:20:15.912-04:00better yet you should post a fake job listing on C...better yet you should post a fake job listing on CL and see how many resumes you'll get for a $12/hour job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-89559996011812496632010-03-19T03:13:29.092-04:002010-03-19T03:13:29.092-04:001:48
Wow - An insipid and snide retort by an apol...1:48<br /><br />Wow - An insipid and snide retort by an apologist/troll...Oh wait, that's pretty much par for the course with you guys.<br /><br />You're right. CL is a sewer for job listings. It's also pretty much the only place to find the few advertised entry level attorney positions available. Hmm, what does that tell us?Esq. Neverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18248019550876835145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-85444619753916610882010-03-19T02:38:08.490-04:002010-03-19T02:38:08.490-04:00Excellent post, Esq. Never. I think that those of...Excellent post, Esq. Never. I think that those of us who challenge the educational establishment with these blogs should feel proud for having the courage to stand up and be lone voices in the wilderness.<br /><br />Ever since elementary school, we have all been indoctrinated with the notion that higher education would almost guarantee a fulfilling and rewarding career. Our entire society is still saturated with this message. Just open up a newspaper and read op-eds about the economy, or turn on the TV or the radio and listen to the news and someone will invariably talk about how everyone should go to college and about how we need to retrain and reeducate for high tech careers or "the jobs of tomorrow".Frank the Underemployed Professionalhttp://flustercucked.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-3267628727783618902010-03-19T01:48:28.867-04:002010-03-19T01:48:28.867-04:00^ Wow. An actual constructive thought coming out o...^ Wow. An actual constructive thought coming out of these whine (see what I did there) parties. Amazing.<br /><br />Btw. Craigslist job offerings are a shitfest for all industries from retail to law. Bad test.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-82539025140448151202010-03-18T21:16:02.819-04:002010-03-18T21:16:02.819-04:00I think its time we band together and start a sort...I think its time we band together and start a sort of consumer reports for law schools (we could probably also do it for mba programs to). we could send the same requests for info that NALP sends, but fortify it with questions regarding how many people responded and ask for specifics on nonlegal jobs (like is this waiting tables). we could also ask for starting salary avg and how many responses are they basis for the avg. we could post all of this info and make it good and clear who didn't respond. <br /><br />US News and NALP are doing the job. Its time the victims of law schools form a victims rights group and make sure the law school scam only happens to those who have full and honest disclosure about what they're getting into.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-45803697945713695132010-03-18T20:35:15.254-04:002010-03-18T20:35:15.254-04:00great blog post, EN. As for that " recent com...great blog post, EN. As for that " recent comment I received to a much older blog post" that you mentioned, I would bet you that it came from a a so-called nontraditional law school prelaw type--an older person going to law school. Most of these types are older women who have tons of money, usually from a large divorce settlement. <br /><br />You can read their laughable post on the nontradlaw forum. Most of them are out of the legal field within a couple of years. ANd then they are so embarrassed that they never post on that board again, even tbough they tyically posted there for years prior to and during law school. I recall one in particular who went to a well respected local school and did well but of course could not land a job (and this was in 2005 or so, before the recent catastrophe in legal hiring). Well, she posted saying that she just did not like the work, after having done some family law work as a solo.<br />Then she decided to get a Masters degree.<br />Talk about rationalizing.skinny phoenix girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05318074472676194728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-4533462625616210382010-03-18T14:54:57.668-04:002010-03-18T14:54:57.668-04:00In addition to looking on Craigslist (that is a gr...In addition to looking on Craigslist (that is a great test by the way), look at "alternative career fairs" put on by the law schools themselves. Here is one from the 2TT I graduated from:<br /><br />http://www.law.seattleu.edu/x7535.xml<br /><br />Wow, I always wanted to do athletics compliance or be in charge of "school administration-advancement" whatever that is. It is not that the jobs of the participants listed are bad jobs (I would take many of them), but I doubt more than a small fraction of these people have JDs or the debt that goes with it, and I imagine most of these jobs would be open to you without a law degree. Also, the people listed are merely participating for informational purposes, they are not looking to actually hire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-26056014183694583742010-03-18T14:50:18.042-04:002010-03-18T14:50:18.042-04:00I think JL at 1:38 is dead on. In particular I lik...I think JL at 1:38 is dead on. In particular I liked "This isn't so much blaming the victim but moreso to show that public sentiment is usually wrong and just a matter of whatever brainwashing is done at the time." For that reason I believe that majorities are often, if not usually wrong.<br /><br />I'm sure a lot of these trolls have no connection to the law school industry, or that they even have a particular agenda. Some people can not stand ANY critisism of the status quo, because they don't want to challenge or even think about the assumptions that make up their world view.<br /><br />Such people can not deal with ambiguity or uncertainty. They have a need to 'believe' in things without understanding them. In their mind there is nothing to understand. The world is a very straighforward place where everything is transparent, mechanical, and serves a purpose.<br /><br />In their mind if you can't find a job, there HAS TO BE something wrong with YOU. After all, THE WORLD CAN'T BE THAT F%$CKED UP AND RANDOM OF A PLACE, CAN IT? No of course not, after all these pee brains have managed to figure it all out. Everyone who disagrees with them is just stupid.<br /><br />Such people can't understand that progress has been brought about by people who consciously tried to make a difference. When you discuss the world in such depth, they will always feel uncomfortable regardless of what your arguement is because they are intellectually lazy. <br /><br />The bottom line is people are sheep. These trolls are for the most part irrelevant asshats.Karlhttp://cleareyes1984.angelfire.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-48182713629458434982010-03-18T13:48:56.133-04:002010-03-18T13:48:56.133-04:00"You should have done more research before go..."You should have done more research before going to law school."<br /><br />This is kind of a dumb criticism. How can prospective law students do meaningful "research" if there isn't a wide variety of information to find? These blogs provide an important perspective that any prospective law student would do well to consider.<br /><br />I guess these critics can't understand the difference between "whining" and "warning."Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04949277110519169919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-16586110412774389122010-03-18T13:38:33.419-04:002010-03-18T13:38:33.419-04:00Just ignore the trolls, there are people that trol...Just ignore the trolls, there are people that troll about everything. Half of these people work in the student loan/law scam industry themselves. The other half are just morons that you find for everything.<br /><br />For instance, even on something like video game consoles, for years Microsoft pretended that their systems did not fail or scratch discs. There were also a legion of people accusing the console owner of not taking care of the system or other crap. Then after the class action lawsuits and studies done forcing MS to admit they built faulty hardware and did not honor their warranties, these trolls just disappeared to find a new cause, never admitting they were wrong. You find this in everything, it's just human nature.<br /><br />You can see it on the health care bill too. A lot of people want to blame attorneys, but if you challenge them to name one person they know that has successfully bought a lawsuit and won it, they are dumbstruck. They want to cling to attorneys being the cause of high medical costs but they have no idea how healthcare works at all. It's just something to talk about.<br /><br />People like to think they are smarter now because they "know" the world is a sphere and revolves around the sun, whereas in the past people didn't. Well in the past, people were so sure these things were true as well. This isn't so much blaming the victim but moreso to show that public sentiment is usually wrong and just a matter of whatever brainwashing is done at the time.<br /><br />And finally, it depends on the victim group. If you scam pregnant women or maybe the elderly, those are sympathetic groups and people want action. Scamming students doesn't bother anybody though.<br /><br />In a way it's part jealousy but it's also part relief and vindication for people. A lot of people struggled at lower end jobs and were not held in prestige, now these people feel vindicated seeing people that were in a class that looked down on them get some comeuppance, even if it maybe wasn't even most of that class of people, or an imagined slight.JLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-42068358223831432372010-03-18T12:39:16.901-04:002010-03-18T12:39:16.901-04:00This is by far away the most brilliant law scam bl...This is by far away the most brilliant law scam blog entry yet.<br /><br />Truthful, humbling, and not angry in the least.<br /><br />Well doneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-8225953944123166792010-03-18T12:34:18.794-04:002010-03-18T12:34:18.794-04:00"If you want to live out your dreams of maste..."If you want to live out your dreams of mastering Word's cut and paste feature to update stock legal forms or hang out with dregs of society, it looks like your only option will be to turn to the wonderful world of legal networking."<br /><br />Damn, that's funny. <br /><br />Even back in the 90's we were told life would be tough unless you made the top 10% of the class. They were right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-85547929195226155032010-03-18T11:45:01.961-04:002010-03-18T11:45:01.961-04:00Great post, EN! Strong and substantive. The MAIN...Great post, EN! Strong and substantive. The MAIN point of these blogs is to educate prospective law students about the realities of the industry.<br /><br />The industry apologists, on the other hand, do not want you to be informed about law school or the shrinking U.S. legal market. They want you to rely on the schools' self-reported (and highly manipulated) employment and salary statistics. These tools then cry, "You should have done your research."<br /><br />Well, the problem is this, apologists: alumni, practicing attorneys, and current law students cannot get access to the true figures. How the hell is a pre-law student going to find them?!<br /><br />Many of us did what EN did: we talked to practicing lawyers, went to seminars, looked at attorney job postings, read numerous articles on the "profession," etc. Most of those sources recommended going to law school. It was considered a sound "investment," by those sources. <br /><br />Yeah, sure it is. And stalking your ex-girlfriend is sound "dating" advice.Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-3695878613002427972010-03-18T10:47:04.493-04:002010-03-18T10:47:04.493-04:00Amen...despite that I'm an unemployed entry le...Amen...despite that I'm an unemployed entry level lawyer (and have been for quite some time now), I still have a family member who recently decided to go to law school. I guess she thinks I'm a loser and that there's still a pot of gold at the end of the law school rainbow (and I went to a higher level law school than she is attending!). No one, not friends, family, or anyone I meet, believes how bad it is for entry level lawyers; instead they all think there's something wrong with me. I actually had someone say to me--"You're not trying very hard to find a job, are you?" (when I'm been relentlessly applying for any type of job, legal and non-legal). I think the shame and humiliation are worse than the debt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-18624737210592747022010-03-18T10:37:47.364-04:002010-03-18T10:37:47.364-04:00But there's a hidden lawyer job market at Atto...But there's a hidden lawyer job market at Attorney Jobs!<br /><br />http://www.attorneyjobs.com/wps/portal/attorneyjobs/home<br /><br />Here are the subscription rates, a small cost compared to the cost of law school!<br /><br />One Month 29.95<br /><br />Three Months 69.95<br /><br />Six Months 123.00<br /><br />One Year 234.00<br /><br />The job seeker may be in bad shape, but he will always have $234 too much in the eyes of West.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com