tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post6064472448989715890..comments2024-01-09T21:43:06.916-05:00Comments on Esq. Never: It's the Most Wonderful Time of the YearEsq. Neverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18248019550876835145noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-13821299668112921222010-05-15T13:43:12.009-04:002010-05-15T13:43:12.009-04:00No. High unemployment abounds. Nevertheless, the p...No. High unemployment abounds. Nevertheless, the problem with the ROI began before the recession (numerous grads ending up in doc review and PI chop shops). <br /><br />While other fields are hurting, you'll find far more listings for programmers, marketing associates, and financial analysts than attorneys.<br /><br />Law schools are doing some things differently such as pumping out more JD's and charging much higher tuition. What hasn't changed as that low level law school are far too focused on theory rather than conferring any practical knowledge onto their graduates.Esq. Neverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18248019550876835145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-60150140002684169882010-05-15T05:49:46.853-04:002010-05-15T05:49:46.853-04:00I don't think that lack of employment is somet...I don't think that lack of employment is something unique to law right now. The recession is hitting the entire country. Also, the schools aren't really doing anything differently than they have for the past century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-67434244724224859882010-04-18T14:41:28.225-04:002010-04-18T14:41:28.225-04:00It makes more sense to take a big scholarship at a...It makes more sense to take a big scholarship at a T3 or T4 than to even pay half tuition at a T2 or bottom T1. The rankings really don't help much at all, actually even the bottom of the T14 especially outside of their regions.<br /><br />This is a truly worthless degree. Law schools pretend that government jobs are an option, as they claim the government is not as interested in grades and the school, but the competition for these jobs is so absurd that nobody can count on this at all. I've been applying for years for government positions and have gotten nothing.<br /><br />State hiring generally takes well over a year, federal government they'll get back to you sooner but it may still take you that time period to get clearance. In the meantime, what are you going to be doing?<br /><br />And that's if you get these jobs, again, that is unlikely. You're not just competing with other law grads, but hundreds upon thousands of other graduate degree holders as well as people with experience in the job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-265534671328162952010-04-16T23:52:58.431-04:002010-04-16T23:52:58.431-04:00"Marquette wasn't even invited to the par..."Marquette wasn't even invited to the party this year as it fell into the third tier."<br /><br />Ironic - considering Marquette just dropped $80 million to build this ridiculous monstrosity of a law school. <br /><br />http://law.marquette.edu/ecksteinhall/plans/unique-features.html<br /><br />Don't worry, it's on track to open up this fall!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-23787583568798292962010-04-16T14:56:22.552-04:002010-04-16T14:56:22.552-04:00The scores are input based, not output based. And ...The scores are input based, not output based. And then, certain incoming student designations do not get computed into the scoring system. That should be all you need to know to reach a conclusion as to the validity of the rankings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-75851410753450418552010-04-16T13:26:12.797-04:002010-04-16T13:26:12.797-04:00As a 2008 DePaul alum, I can personally attest to ...As a 2008 DePaul alum, I can personally attest to the fact that those employment stats are completely fictional! There are plenty of folks out there that never got legal jobs--I have friends who are tending bar and teaching salsa dancing to make ends meet. The class of 2009 is even worse off, and this year, virtually all the kids on law review are all unemployed. How dare DePaul try to pawn off these lies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-39752271649767509692010-04-16T12:40:29.005-04:002010-04-16T12:40:29.005-04:00And, yes, rankings after about the top 14-20 schoo...And, yes, rankings after about the top 14-20 schools don't really matter. And that is being generous. After that, you should attend the cheapest possible law school (tuition and living expenses) you can get into - if you simply MUST go.<br /><br />EN is correct. What makes Chapman or Pitt, both second tier sewers, better than Third Tier Drake or other TTTs? This is just a numbers game. These rankings are simply a marketing scheme. "Yes, we are in the fourth tier, but our Writing Program was ranked 3rd in the nation by US News!" <br /><br />Don't be fooled. Even the schools that splashed into the third tier, or dropped 15 spaces WILL RAISE TUITION!Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-49998705184437853272010-04-16T12:35:38.219-04:002010-04-16T12:35:38.219-04:00Thanks for the plug, EN! I was actually going to ...Thanks for the plug, EN! I was actually going to post that on your blog. Yes, the University of Utah admitted to an "error" on its placement and salary figures back in November 2009. ($omehow, the$e error$ alway$ benefit the $chool$.) The school is now ranked 42nd. Ooh. It's kind of like finishing a 5K in 42nd place. (Actually, finishing a 5K is a bigger achievement than graduating from this dump.)<br /><br />Lesson 1: honesty DOES NOT pay, when it comes to reporting figures to USNWR.<br /><br />Lesson 2: on the flip side, manipulating, distorting, and flat-out lying about placement and salary does pay off.<br /><br />Remember, there are no audits of these SELF-REPORTED numbers! There is opportunity and motive for the schools to lie - plus little chance of getting caught and ZERO probability of getting punished! Do a risk-reward analysis, apologists.Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-58897421270637949002010-04-16T12:32:15.362-04:002010-04-16T12:32:15.362-04:00Re: New Jersey clerkships
How right you are. I c...Re: New Jersey clerkships<br /><br />How right you are. I can't even get no-fault chop shops to send me rejection letters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-56876545728509749872010-04-16T10:18:40.012-04:002010-04-16T10:18:40.012-04:00hey esq never,
loved this post...seriously burst...hey esq never, <br /><br />loved this post...seriously burst out laughing at the part about working at burger king and gentleman's club counting as employment.<br /><br />can we sue law schools for their false employment statistics? I mean seriously, I think every one of them, even harvard and yale, manipulate it. its a damn scam.<br /><br />-fellow unemployed jdunemployedHYSgrad2008noreply@blogger.com