tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post8587337155523675038..comments2024-01-09T21:43:06.916-05:00Comments on Esq. Never: The Networking Trail of TearsEsq. Neverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18248019550876835145noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-75416575737770355082010-07-27T07:04:18.993-04:002010-07-27T07:04:18.993-04:00I wish my relatives would read some of the law sch...I wish my relatives would read some of the law school scam blogs. It would make Thanksgiving less horrible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-11290422977579721192010-07-27T01:52:15.422-04:002010-07-27T01:52:15.422-04:00I'm late in the game but this is so true. I...I'm late in the game but this is so true. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry but I have lived it all. <br /><br />BTW, as a lass I have another fabulous experience to add - imagine the pride I felt when I reached out to a professional who completely misinterpreted my interest in a professional conversation as an invitation to sexually harass me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10605570836460677980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-10702054814617723002010-03-10T13:37:08.906-05:002010-03-10T13:37:08.906-05:00Wow, I could write my own book about humiliating n...Wow, I could write my own book about humiliating networking failures. It's all true, Esq. Never- it's a horrible, disappointing process. That being said, I eventually ended up getting a shitty job through networking that set me up to get my (less shitty) current position. So unfortunately you have to keep at it. And strangely, while I met a lot of douchebags and outright assholes networking I ended up meeting some really helpful, kind people who are still my friends today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-40814842495953523622010-03-09T23:29:04.471-05:002010-03-09T23:29:04.471-05:00If I were you, I'd keep a list of names of peo...If I were you, I'd keep a list of names of people who pulled this stuff. That way, the minute you do something great or they ask for a favor you tell them where to shove it. Same for anyone else. I'm a firm believer of karma & don't go around dicking people since it will come back to bite you big time.<br /><br />When I was in undergrad & trying to find out about law schools, I contacted this one alumna who was a lawyer. She proceeded to tell me that I should stay in a region I hated & aspire to nothing. She also had the gall to accuse me of not doing my research when I'd done a hell of a lot more than SHE did to get where she was (she merely lived where she went to law school). I remember her name & this whole thing like it was yesterday. Believe me, if I ever meet her in person she will be reminded of this & I'll relish telling her that I'm living my dream. Anyone I meet that I find out went to my undergrad will be reminded of my trying to reach out & getting nothing in return. <br /><br />Oh, and this is on top of being tormented constantly as a kid; I like thinking of my existence as a scheme to piss off people who think I'm not capable or should settle for a miserable life.<br /><br />I'm just waiting for my revenge to take hold; it already has in some ways since I could help so many people move ahead but not helping yourself or being nasty to me in the past just means we'll be ice skating in Hell before you get so much as a "Hello" from me. <br /><br />I'm shocked that some of you haven't just resorted to outright calling people out or taking them out in a hale of gunfire; I've done it to a few older lawyers since I'm doing something they aren't & they should really be nice to me (one tried telling me to put up w/lawyer BS & I pointed out her lack of reading comprehension). Just like others in my business, I never forget a name & I consider it my duty to talk about your misdeeds toward me.Film Co. Lawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11995928421833366660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-57954195086655460662010-03-05T16:14:07.950-05:002010-03-05T16:14:07.950-05:00Tear #1: I visited a church during a period of une...Tear #1: I visited a church during a period of unemployment, and at the end of the service, I met a fellow Christian who happened to be a lawyer. I thought that the conversation went well and he passed along his business card at the conclusion. About a month later, I reached out to him, and I didn't even request to meet him. We lived 3 hours apart, and he knew that. I simply asked for job searching advice. His reply was very cold and brief, "I have too much going on right now. Contact me later."<br /><br />The networking walls! And what exactly are we chasing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-9935752252723154562010-03-05T13:35:56.960-05:002010-03-05T13:35:56.960-05:00I don't think we can wait 6-8 years to see som...I don't think we can wait 6-8 years to see some of these law schools fold, it needs to happen much sooner, or the problem will become even worse. It was good to see students protesting college tuition hikes and budget cuts across the country yesterday as these college administrators need to be called out for their deceptive practices. I can only hope that administrators at law schools also get called out by current and former students for their deceptive practices as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-49676459434801333782010-03-04T22:37:34.201-05:002010-03-04T22:37:34.201-05:00Esq Never, don't worry about the naysayers. Yo...Esq Never, don't worry about the naysayers. You are being vindicated by the economic realities. I wrote about the Harvard Law article myself. When the T14s are whining, you know there is something to what you're saying. The fact of the matter is that there is a law school bubble that is bursting. <br /><br />The scary part about it is that a couple hundred thousand more hapless souls will be shuffled through law schools over the next 6 years only to enter a market that doesn't exist. They won't be able to make any money in the legal field. They will be fighting an uphill battle to transition into another field. They will struggle.<br /><br />It will take a while for people to realize this scam, but it will be tough not to notice once students start to default on bubble-inducing student loans and Sallie Mae goes the way of her bankrupt, leech cousins, Fannie and Freddie. <br /><br />Within the next 6-8 years there will be many law schools folding. The game is up. Count on it.Brutus, Esq.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12659682554026190508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-25178216776293222652010-03-04T10:02:58.376-05:002010-03-04T10:02:58.376-05:00About the alumni connection. I contacted an alumnu...About the alumni connection. I contacted an alumnus of my law school who was looking to hire a part-time attorney for her small law office. I sent her a cover letter and resume. She called back within an hour telling me how she was soooo impressed, how I seemed overqualified for the job, and that she would love to meet with me to discuss details. I set up a meeting with her at a restaurant for the following week. I was shocked that she didn't even bother to show up. I waited at the restaurant for an hour and called her law office several times where her receptionist said she wasn't there. The woman never even emailed me to apologize. Only a month later did I receive a rejection letter by email that never included an explanation or apology for missing our meeting. That T14 alumni collection really helped me out, not!HardKnockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188805912579205968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-65187697461950620612010-03-03T19:23:55.921-05:002010-03-03T19:23:55.921-05:00I believe another blogger had an article up about ...I believe another blogger had an article up about the Harvard grads without jobs complaining that networking is a sham because it didn't work for them. And that's precisely true, your "network" either exists or it doesn't, and the quality of that network and luck don't really factor into what you as an individual do. For Harvard grads traditionally "networking" simply meant they applied for a job; if you apply for a job and you are going to get it either way it doesn't matter how you applied. <br /><br />"Networking" is also another way for career center and people in hiring positions to pass the buck and act in an elitist manner at somebody else's expense, that somebody else being the ones seeking work of course. I remember during one of my final classes in undergrad a mousy looking woman from my undergrad career center made a presentation. Without being antagonized in the least, she made a very arrogant comment about "I'm not the one that needs a job, you do, I already have a job." That sort of attitude is very common in academia, actually it's common everywhere but even more so in academia, but that basically told me the story of my undergrad career services. All any career service does is tell you to change trivial things on a resume that don't even matter, that they themselves forget and tell you to do the other way if you come back later on.<br /><br />I remember being annoyed by that woman, although she wasn't even speaking to me, and wanting to get a prestigious career. I worked for a year after undergrad and things were really looking to move into place for me, and then I foolishly went to law school and gambled my entire future away. Now I'm right back to mostly looking for jobs I could have had out of undergrad, except I am now almost 4 years older and with a mountain of debt, and the economy is so much worse (not that it was great 5 years ago even, but the last 2 it has gotten even worse, make no mistake it's been on a steady decline for at least a half decade if not more).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-49914026470263751262010-03-03T18:43:41.855-05:002010-03-03T18:43:41.855-05:00Uh oh, the networking police have just put you on ...Uh oh, the networking police have just put you on their list!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-26889446802829678562010-03-03T17:02:46.516-05:002010-03-03T17:02:46.516-05:00Kelly,
I think the pronouns were a little confusi...Kelly,<br /><br />I think the pronouns were a little confusing in one of the quotes.<br /><br />Alas, I'm not a lass. (If I was an attractive one, I might be able to land a job.)Esq. Neverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18248019550876835145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-53437191903309015712010-03-03T13:32:05.475-05:002010-03-03T13:32:05.475-05:00My husband was laid off from his 20 year plus elec...My husband was laid off from his 20 year plus electrical engineering job 3 months ago. He had worked for a large communications company in their cellular division. During the first week after he was let go, he reached out to dozens of former collegues in an effort to start networking. He recived responses from most of those collegues, stating that they would help get the word out and circulate his resume. Hoewever, the immediate initial compassion was very short lived, and the response e-mails quickly dissipated (similar to the recent situation in Haiti). <br />Last week he attended a job fair in the area. One female recruiter he introduced himself too, said her firm was not taking any resumes. He wanted so badly so ask, THEN WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING HERE?, but decided not to. These job fairs are very often just dog and pony shows where area firms show their faces in the community to make it look as though they really care. <br />Yesterday, he went to a "networking career seminar" which also turned out to be an exercise in insulting one's intelligence. The overly enthusiastic person conducting this "seminar" then asked all in attendence to name their favorite actor! CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS??!!! What relevance could this possibly have on anything? This time, my husband could not resist and stated that his favorite actors were Bert and Ernie reenacting the desert scene from the film, "Casino." (it's available on YouTube for anyone interested, but please don't play it if there are children around). Believe it or not, this actually got the attention of one recruiter who did ask my husband to send him his resume. Whether something ever comes of this is difficult to say, but I was glad that my husband decided not to acquiesce in some of the banal tactics that these recruiters at job fairs and seminars often engage in. Today, he is attending yet another job fair, so I cannot wait to hear what ridiculous hoops he may have been asked to jump through in order to demonstrate his viability in the workplace. I myself prefer to avoid these job fairs and seminars since I happen to like the concept of self dignity, but for him, it gives him something to do, and fortunately he manages to maintain a sense of humor in the process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-28118259208173391242010-03-03T11:10:37.043-05:002010-03-03T11:10:37.043-05:00Really liked this post! Just enough of a dab of h...Really liked this post! Just enough of a dab of humor. <br /><br />BTW, Esq Never, you're a girl?KZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01476445446490314569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5618663158161665199.post-38524619213133174822010-03-03T10:59:25.225-05:002010-03-03T10:59:25.225-05:00I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face (and then...I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face (and then some), but lawyers are going through what people who studied the humanities went through three decades ago (like 51-year-old me). American education has morphed into a bunco operation to collect tuition from unsuspecting high school grads. Sure, if someone can get position atop the education food chain (for lawyers that’s T14 in at least the top half of the class), they can step up into a comfy air-conditioned office job without one bead of sweat ever forming on their foreheads. The rest of us ought to be preparing to get their taxi licenses. <br /><br />When I was in law school, I remember the rancid feeling in my stomach when meeting with these whatchamacallit employment liaisons people. They reminded me of the ragamuffin burglars at the end of Dickens <i>A Christmas Carol</i> after picking the bones of some poor defenseless dead guy. I’m pretty sure I even heard one of them cackle. These vultures will tell you to change the color of your tie, rearrange your resume so that this or that item is there (while this item should be over here), or get you to memorize some snappy talking points. Do I really have to tell you they are jerking you off?<br /><br />Meanwhile, learn the word “sinecure” because in essence that is what the savvy are looking for. That’s what your beloved law professors have too. Don’t read about what color your parachute is or study sample resumes. <br /><br />I sure hope you find a good job, but, my friend, you said it perfectly at the beginning of your post: you are a Cherokee and they want you to move to Oklahoma now.fanofSkolnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14677793833656532957noreply@blogger.com